tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post9169403263934689..comments2023-10-15T09:36:12.013+01:00Comments on Countercultural Father: What's the Agenda?Ben Trovatohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-63782933376411154332018-01-11T17:58:10.795+00:002018-01-11T17:58:10.795+00:00Spot on! That's exactly the clarity I couldn&#...Spot on! That's exactly the clarity I couldn't find for myself.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-34882841678684269162018-01-11T17:52:06.272+00:002018-01-11T17:52:06.272+00:00John Smeaton, CEO SPUC UK, published last year a c...John Smeaton, CEO SPUC UK, published last year a comprehensive and unequivocal post on his blog-site, dealing with this very question.<br />I quote two short paragraphs from this post:-<br /> <br /> 'What is being done in Poland by Ordo Iuris and their pro-life allies is to make the idea of stopping abortion completely in Poland, completely normal - because it really is normal not to kill children. What Poland is doing, in its strongly pro-life culture, we must work towards doing in Britain, in America, in Ireland and everywhere.'<br /><br /> 'Ordo Iuris with their Stop Abortion Initiative has done what virtually no-one in 50 years of the pro-life movement has done. They have put before the world legislative proposals and a vision, a realistic vision based on the moral law written on human hearts, in which every single human life is guaranteed his or her right to life by law. It’s a vision which future generations will take for granted. Future generations will look back at what is happening today with horror and utter disbelief.'<br /> I attach a link to this post, which I recommend reading in its entirety.<br />http://spuc-director.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/<br /><br />umblepiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13455889107917179909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-37848101333459014372018-01-10T22:54:01.754+00:002018-01-10T22:54:01.754+00:00It is difficult. For what it's worth, I think ...It is difficult. For what it's worth, I think that we should tell the truth: that is, that all abortion is wrong. I am strongly influenced in this by my current reading of Colin Harte's 'Changing Unjust Laws Justly,' though I accept that you were not talking about legislation. Nonetheless, I think if we do not act with integrity, we err. I am also mindful of the remark attributed to Mother Teresa: We are not called to be victorious, only to be faithful. In other words, we should do the right things and entrust the outcomes to God.<br /><br />That is not to say that we could not start a dialogue with people at the point where they are most likely to agree with us, but we should not dissemble about our beliefs or our aims.Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-65485571205991642272018-01-10T20:35:44.005+00:002018-01-10T20:35:44.005+00:00I am as worried as you are about this but I really...I am as worried as you are about this but I really don't know whether it's best to choose these as constituent parts of one issue or totally (ish) separate (ish) campaigns.<br /><br />There is a large majority of people (I think) who are in favour of limiting abortion to "only when it suits them and their friends". You (we, I) will easily persuade them that an absolute ban on (say) post-30 week abortion is OK and defining post-partum abortion as murder is common sense, by not linking one sort of abortion to another. In other words: from a campaigning point of view, are you (we, I) happy to start at the outside and work in, or do you think it's necessary to campaign for a "no abortion ever" platform from the word go.<br /><br />Is the former a way of owning the narrative, or a sell out? Is the latter an option for the exclusive brethren?<br /><br />This is separate from the question of supporting legislation though opponents will try and turn it immediately into that.<br /><br />This is all a bit inchoate: the Devil really has done his job well as far as abortion goes and working out how to combat it in the public sphere feels beyond me.Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.com