tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post424715296699213496..comments2023-10-15T09:36:12.013+01:00Comments on Countercultural Father: Whatever happened to the Gadarene Swine?Ben Trovatohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-24637618270228384882013-03-27T15:06:05.539+00:002013-03-27T15:06:05.539+00:00Very interesting, thank you.
I have Bugnini's...Very interesting, thank you.<br /><br />I have Bugnini's book, and (as often) it has more to say about how the changes were made than exactly why. They just set to work and this is what they came up with. The reasoning is likely to have something to do with his general policy of avoiding 'negative' theology, anything which could offend ecumenical relations, anything problematic from the point of view of 'modern scholarship', and anything 'unpastoral': long, difficult to understand, or challenging in any other way.<br /><br />There is a very interesting discussion of the pastoral failure of the multi-year cycle in Fr Jonathan Robinson 'The Mass and Modernity'. He makes the point that in the old lectionary passages were chosen for *liturgical* reasons. It is a lectionary, after all - not a programme of lectio divina (p332-3).Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-60563561817651263532013-03-27T14:27:08.292+00:002013-03-27T14:27:08.292+00:00Peter S. Williamson, at
http://speakingofscriptur...Peter S. Williamson, at<br /><br />http://speakingofscripture.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/how-to-read-the-bible-in-a-year/<br /><br />makes the point that "The Church is not failing us by selecting only some texts to read at Mass – she just never intended that our Scripture reading be confined to Mass!"<br /><br />He goes on,<br />"As a seminary professor I have seen the consequence of seminarians who during their undergraduate philosophy studies only read the lectionary selections. Because they read or hear everything out of context, they are not familiar with the biblical books themselves or where anything can be found. In order to understand the Bible we need to read through, what is traditionally called lectio continua."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07037500353942034990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-45989630919049032562013-03-25T10:35:11.400+00:002013-03-25T10:35:11.400+00:00I can't afford it... but... good news! The Gad...I can't afford it... but... good news! The Gadarene swine have been recovered - Monday of the fourth week in ordinary time!Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-76880279294337509742013-03-24T22:18:03.864+00:002013-03-24T22:18:03.864+00:00Patricius,
According to Ttony (see comment above)...Patricius,<br /><br />According to Ttony (see comment above), Bugnini's book gives an account of this. A mere $100+ on Amazon (second hand...)Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-45806934289990267982013-03-24T22:05:54.231+00:002013-03-24T22:05:54.231+00:00Thanks for a very interesting post. It would be ev...Thanks for a very interesting post. It would be even more interesting to know what criteria were actually applied when the new lectionary was assembled. Sacrosanctum Concilium makes some reference to a richer diet of scripture but that is about it. I say this as one who actually appreciates the ordinary weekday cycle of readings. The Sunday three-year cycle has long struck me as rather more promising in theory than in practice. Patriciushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906131174326742939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-74481989301432870052013-03-24T19:19:59.069+00:002013-03-24T19:19:59.069+00:00Ttony
I keep thinking I should get Bugnini's ...Ttony<br /><br />I keep thinking I should get Bugnini's book, but at over $100 second hand, I keep hesitating. Mrs T would have a fit!Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-55467886720178513252013-03-24T19:07:27.224+00:002013-03-24T19:07:27.224+00:00Thank you; this is well worth doing.Thank you; this is well worth doing.Dorothy Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858061638961520926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-70090408380682219952013-03-24T19:07:08.504+00:002013-03-24T19:07:08.504+00:00Please do carry on - evidence is always useful. T...Please do carry on - evidence is always useful. The "why", though, is quite straightforward: a seven letter word beginning with B: Bugnini!<br /><br />I don't know about "the whole Gospel being read across the year": I'd never heard that until recently and it strikes me as an obvious falsehood. But your statement "someone, somewhere has decided that there are parts of the Gospel which should not be read out on Sundays in our Churches" is answered squarely by Bugnini: a series of experts, faced with the one off chance of rewriting a Lectionary which had grown up over the preceding 1900 years, started off from the question of which readings would be worth including at Mass. The sifting process was completely deliberate.<br /><br />The chapter on the reform of the Lectionary is frightening: the bugninifulness of the scheme is breathtaking in its assumption that driving out the old, and inventing something new which will allow the Catholic Church to be one Church among many, other, Protestant, Churches, is a good thing.<br /><br />I don't think "The Reform of the Liturgy" makes for good Lenten reading!Ttonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15185875893212146794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-7169085250839250152013-03-24T17:59:37.532+00:002013-03-24T17:59:37.532+00:00Interesting point - have pigs become unclean someh...Interesting point - have pigs become unclean somehow?john-of-haylinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06666868557634613383noreply@blogger.com