tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post407094500396744647..comments2023-10-15T09:36:12.013+01:00Comments on Countercultural Father: More on homosexualityBen Trovatohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-73638485292405503032009-01-13T07:53:00.000+00:002009-01-13T07:53:00.000+00:00Raycol:Do you think the Bible is authoritative? I...Raycol:<BR/><BR/>Do you think the Bible is authoritative? If so, why?<BR/><BR/>SH:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>Raycol's claim of biblical support for (or the lack of a clear biblical prohibition regarding) homosexual sex is precisely the kind of thing I was referring to on my latest comment on the more recent post.Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-81125350673407731982009-01-13T00:58:00.000+00:002009-01-13T00:58:00.000+00:00The account of Genesis shows, marriage and sexuali...The account of Genesis shows, marriage and sexuality were created by God and given to mankind as gifts for our benefit. Scripture records God's statement that "it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him" (Gen. 2:18). As a result, "a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24). This is the original plan of God for sex.<BR/><BR/>Two men together cannot capture the fullness of human personhood, and neither can two women; for that, you need one man and one woman. However exclusive, unconditional and permanent same-sex relationships may aspire to be, they lack the complementarity that the deepest fulfillment requires.The love between man and woman is designed to call new human life into existence and in so doing make the shared life of the couple more abundantly fulfilling. It does not always produce new life, but that is what it is designed to do. Homosexual sex is not procreative and thus not life-giving.<BR/><BR/>Animals respond to thoughtless instinct, people by virtue of their reason, have moral principles attached to each action they do. Animals don't take part in sex to unite the "spouses" closer together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-80507455706989693662009-01-12T23:53:00.000+00:002009-01-12T23:53:00.000+00:00I disagree with your statement that “clearly sex i...I disagree with your statement that “clearly sex is designed by the creator to be the uniting of the male and the female. There is a complementarity about that union which is lacking in homosexual encounters”.<BR/><BR/>While male-female sex is obviously the most common form of sex, there is nothing in the Bible to say that it is the only form of permissible sex. If God had intended, from Creation onwards, that sex be only between males and females, one would expect that the prohibition in Leviticus 18:22 on sex between males would be accompanied by a similar prohibition on sex between females. Since there is no prohibition on sex between females, one can’t say that God intended that sex be only between males and females.<BR/><BR/>This view is reinforced by the fact that same-sex sexual activity has been documented in over 300 species of animals made by God.<BR/><BR/>In regard to complementarity, this argument fails because the parts still fit in male-male sex. Also, it is likely that gay people choose complementary partners (“opposites attract”) just as much as straight people. This could include complementarity of natures, likes and dislikes, attitudes, etc.<BR/><BR/>More information about these and similar matters can be seen on www.GaysAndSlaves.com.Raycolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03352883119760204504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-80690590989982766972009-01-12T10:20:00.000+00:002009-01-12T10:20:00.000+00:00SHThanks for a useful and important distinction: I...SH<BR/><BR/>Thanks for a useful and important distinction: I fully agree.Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-88768008248813364642009-01-12T09:40:00.000+00:002009-01-12T09:40:00.000+00:00I think you have written well about the topic. the...I think you have written well about the topic. there is one thing I would like to add. <BR/>The term homosexual encompasses a broad definition. I think the term oversimplifies things a bit. There are those who have a same sex attraction but are celibate. There are others who have a same sex attraction but participate in homosexual sex. Both experience a desire to take part in homosexual sex while only one actually follows through with the action. I see same sex attraction as a disorder. Who knows why it exists it just does. Having a desire like this is not sinful. The problem arises when those desires are acted upon. Homosexual acts are sinful. I don't think God is offended by our desires but God does become offended when we use our sexuality for a purpose it was never intended for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-43473564961887551072009-01-12T09:32:00.000+00:002009-01-12T09:32:00.000+00:00Thanks for your comment. I should stress that the...Thanks for your comment. I should stress that these are my understanding and interpretation of Catholic teaching and tradition, as a reasonably intelligent and moderately well-read lay person.<BR/><BR/>I'm more than happy to continue the dialogue if it is helpful - and am certainly interested if there are holes in my thinking or a lack of clarity in the line of reasoning.<BR/><BR/>However, if you want authoritative teaching on this, an orthodox, ordained spiritual director might be more useful.Ben Trovatohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299230935468606845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-253865779660854699.post-4886963286794739692009-01-12T09:15:00.000+00:002009-01-12T09:15:00.000+00:00Thanks Ben for taking the time to answer my commen...Thanks Ben for taking the time to answer my comment so comprehensively, I do appreciate it.madame evangelistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15993391171000966131noreply@blogger.com